Heath and Josh catch up with metalhead and media pro Mike DeBord — founder of the band Martyred and owner of Presence Media. From rocking Metallica shirts in middle school to battling stereotypes and balancing brutal riffs with family life, Mike shares his wild journey through music, creativity, and growing up different in small-town Texas.

It’s an honest, funny, and nostalgic conversation full of headbanging memories, creative insight, and — yes — a sprinkle of brutality.

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